Catalyst Circle Oversight V3
  • Catalyst Circle v3
  • Governance day ccv3 - 12th Feb 2022
    • Background - planning the CCv3 election process, Jan 2022
    • The Catalyst Circle Election Process
    • Nomination criteria for Circle v3
    • Nominations for CCv3
    • Voting results CCv3
  • ccv3 meetings
    • Onboarding session, 17th Feb 2022
    • Meeting #1, 3rd March 2022, 05:00 UTC
    • Meeting #2, 17th March 2022
    • Meeting #3, 31st March 2022
    • Meeting #4, 14th April 2022
    • Meeting #5, 28th April 2022
    • Circle Code of Conduct discussion, 5th May 2022
    • Meeting #6, 12th May 2022
    • Working meeting, 19th May 2022
    • Meeting #7, 9th June 2022
    • Working meeting, 16th June 2022
    • Meeting #8, 23rd June 2022
    • Working meeting, 30th June 2022
    • Meeting #9, 7th July 2022
    • Working meeting 14th July 2022
    • Meeting #10, 21st July 2022
    • Working meeting, 28th July 2022
      • Reunión de trabajo del CCv3: 28 de Julio 2022
    • Meeting #11, 4th August 2022
      • Resumen de reunión #11 del CCv3 (español)
    • Meeting #12, 18th August 2022
      • Resumen de reunión #12 del CCv3
    • Working meeting, 25th August 2022
      • Reunión de trabajo CCv3 Jueves 25 agosto 2022
    • Meeting #13, 1st Sept 2022
      • Resumen de reunión del CCv3 #13
    • Working meeting, 8th Sept 2022
      • Reunión de trabajo CCv3 8th Septiembre 2022
    • Meeting #14, 15th Sept 2022
    • Working meeting, 22nd Sept 2022
    • Meeting #15, 29th Sept 2022
    • Working meeting, 6th October 2022
    • Meeting #16, 13th October 2022
    • Working meeting, 20th October 2022
    • Meeting #17, 27th October 2022
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  • Reunión de trabajo del CCv3: Jueves 28 de Julio 2022 (español)
  • Meeting recording
  • Present (in order of first speaking)
  • Speaker percentages
  • Key issues discussed
  • Meeting timestamps
  • Appendix
  • Verbatim transcript
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Working meeting, 28th July 2022

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Meeting recording

Present (in order of first speaking)

Peter Wolcott (facilitator); Quasar (ADA Holders subcircle member); Rhys Morgan (stakepool operators); Kriss Baird (IOG); Steve Lockhart (standing in for Mercy, Funded Proposers); Kenric Nelson (presenting suggestions on determining Circle members’ rewards); Lloyd (DripDropz; invited by Felix); Felix Weber (representing CF); Kyle (DripDropz; invited by Felix); Latheesan (DripDropz; invited by Felix); Dagwell [unknown]; Rares (New Mindflow).

Speaker percentages

Kriss (17%), Kyle (14%), Rhys (13%), Kenric (11%), Quasar (10%), Latheesan (9%), Felix (8%), Steve (6%), Lloyd (5%), Peter (3%), Rares (2%), Dagwell (1%)

Key issues discussed

  • Which voting tool is easier to use?

  • Is the democratic principle of voter anonymity important (not possible with DripDropz)? Or is it more important to know who voted for who, and to be able to analyse the voting results (not possible with Catalyst app)?

  • Is it important to use something built by the community?

  • Should voting be restricted – e.g. to those who have previously voted in Catalyst? Or by a threshold, e.g. possession of a token, or X amount of ADA? Or open to all?

  • How should people register to vote?

  • Determining voting power - “one ADA, one vote” or “one wallet, one vote”, or something else?

  • What should a voting power snapshot be of – amount of ADA, possession of a token, or something else?

  • When should any snapshot be taken? Should it be “silent” (nobody knows it’s been done until afterwards), or advertised, so people can load their wallets in advance?

  • Gaming the system – which approach to voting power is most secure?

  • How should we publicise the vote? Is the date of the vote important (e.g. does it need to be part of a Fund vote, to maximise engagement?)

Meeting timestamps

Viability of voting with Catalyst app 1:32

Representation, and how to define “a community” for voting purposes? 3:28

What are the requirements for a voting mechanism for Circle? 10:06

Video presentation from DripDropz on how their voting mechanism works 10:38

DripDropz is on-chain, fully trackable – but no privacy 12:15

One coin, one vote – are other options possible? 14:07

Snapshots, DIDs, and ways to determine who can vote and voting power 14:53

Increasing engagement 17:11

Should people be able to change their vote after voting? 18:41

DripDropz can definitely offer “one person, one vote”, but it won’t scale well 20:39

Whitelisting and/or wallet registration 22:30

DripDropz has an F9 proposal to open-source their voting app 24:25

Timelines; and would we get more participation with the Catalyst app? 26:14

How quickly could a DripDropz vote for Circle be implemented? 30:16

How would voting power be determined for a Circle vote? 32:21

How voting power was determined in DripDropz’ initial vote 33:42

Should voters be a select group, e.g. those with IdeaScale accounts? 37:10

Email privacy, GDPR 41:22

IdeaScale is not secure 42:27

For now , “one coin, one vote”, but quadratic voting could change that in future 43:24

Plural voting 45:16

Let’s take the simplest approach even if it upsets people 45:55

Announce a snapshot in advance, so people can accumulate ADA for it? 47:23

What’s the election for? Just Circle reps, or also vote on rewards for Circle members? 48:42

Anything can be gamed – so let’s just test it 50:05

Silent snapshot would prevent wallet gaming 51:06

Could require wallets to be staked, so they are not brand new 53:17

Practicalities of using a nameless token, and potential gaming the system 54:39

Why would we *not* use the Catalyst app? in view of privacy and risk of coercion 1:00:03

Using DripDropz is more decentralised, auditable, better UX 1:05:38

Community-built solutions advance self-governance 1:07:19

Thought the Catalyst app was not viable – but actually, it is 1:11:51

DripDropz can create the vote, but we cannot guarantee a good turnout 1:15:22

Thousands already us the Catalyst app, so participation will be high 1:20:27

Process for deciding on a voting mechanism? 1:21:48

Agree Catalyst app would be the best solution, but it wouldn’t be the most popular 1:24:53

Could there be a transition process from Catalyst app to DripDropz? 1:25:35

Let’s offer all the different methods and see which one people choose 1:28:59

Africa Town Hall and geographical representation1:32:51

Inviting people to nominate selves and define own communities and roles 1:40:10

Plans for F10 proposal voting 1:49:47

Does CCv3 end in September, or January? 1:56:19

Meeting ends 1:57:59

Appendix

Verbatim transcript

Reunión de trabajo del CCv3: Jueves 28 de Julio 2022
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